Comments on: Fanista Amway Or Is it QuixTar? Scam?

By: jmoney

jmoney — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:06:55 +0000

Amway rocks! Called the American way..Financial Independence! I am proud to be associated with the AMWAY corp.

By: Norine

Norine — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:10:07 +0000

You don’t get paid for recruitng in quixtar but can you make a fortune without recruting? no, you can’t. Therefore, a lot of folks out there emphasize recruiting and it’s why a lot of the teaching is about recruiting and not selling stuff.

And although meetings are not “required”, I remember my upline ridiculing those who didn’t attend “all” the meetings.

By: Hurting Inside

Hurting Inside — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:12:45 +0000

@live crunch
Alticor (The parent company of Amway and Quixtar [Quixtar name is being dropped after about 8 years they are getting rid of it and changing everything backt o Amway]) sold its share of Fanista. Amway no longer has anything to do with Fanista at this point.

@IBOFB
Although I agree with you that not all MLMs or pyramid shaped businesses are “pyramid schemes” and I think we both agree that focusing on depth building for stability is very important, and people shouldn’t be taught to go out and “get 10 or 15 people in width because traditionally less than a third will stay in.”

I still feel that Amway (formerly Quixtar) is by far one of the worst options for an MLM to join. They are promoting width model as a corporation now, and the spider ball simply doesn’t work in today’s age in the Northern American region.

By: live crunch

live crunch — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:43:12 +0000

@ibofightback: So if you are with quixtar, what ranking do you have?
I don’t itend to say all bad things about quixtar but from my experience and from what I have seen the higher you go the higher you lose money.

Have you reviewed video I posted above? And that is same experience I had in 2000.

PS: You probably also remember the story “Imagine you are McDonalds owner and you share your same Idea with your relatives, friends, and people you find to become ibo” .Things might change since 2000 but I don’t think it changed a lot. Whatever you see on above video I posted from youtube I have been through.

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:33:34 +0000

No, you didn’t “have to” pay for such seminars, that was entirely your choice. Personally I’ve never paid anything remotely like that for any seminars I’ve attended, but we likely worked with a different organization.

As for the “pyramid scheme” – a pyramid scheme is explictly illegal. As you state, most hierarchical organisations (everything from governments to corporations to churches) are “pyramid shaped” if you map them out. Indeed, standard traditional product distribution is “pyramid shaped”. In reality the Quixtar business is significantly *less* pyramid shaped then any of those examples.

Nevertheless, pyramid schemes don’t just describe the “shape”, it describes what happens in them and they are, quite rightly, illegal enterprises.

Quixtar is not an illegal business, it and it’s predecessor Amway have been in business nearly 50 years and operate in some 90+ countries and territories. Clearly it is not a pyramid scheme.

By: live crunch

live crunch — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:05:30 +0000

@ibofightback: That is not how we use to roll in our city, I agree with you about making money and other opinions that you had. But we had to pay around $600 for recruiting seminars, where you have been told that you would get more people to know which they might or might not be under you. And stating that is not pyramid scheme I can not believe agree with you on that. Everything that involves structure like pyramid is called pyramid scheme isn’t it not? You are under me, 5 people is under you 10 people is under them how does thats structure look like to you?

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:28:35 +0000

One of the things about Quixtar is that anyone can get involved. This is both good and bad. What’s kind of amazing is that folk like yourself can make money with it with so little apparent knowledge of how it operates. It is not a “pyramid scheme” – not even close. In pyramid schemes you make money by recruiting other folk who make money by recruiting other folk etc. In Quixtar you make no money doing that – you get paid entirely through the volume of sales generated. “Recruiting” is simply a marketing strategy to do that, not what you get paid for.

If you’d been involved long enough to be making some money and a group of 60 people, then what would hope you’d also know that there is NO “requirement” to attend *any* seminars. To say there was is a complete falsehood on your part. Quixtar itself holds very few seminars. There are however a multitude of other companies that provide training and support materials to Quixtar business owners. They are optional, as is written on the contract you signed with Quixtar, and not run by Quixtar. As an Independent Business Owner *you* chose what to spend your time and money on.

While the internet gives folk the ability to tell their story and give their opinion, it unfortunatly also gives folk the ability to make utterly false statements, as has occurred here.

Amway and Quixtar are multi-billion dollar concerns operating around the world. They are hugely successful companies and have helped thousands make significant incomes through owning their own independent amway or quixtar affiliated businesses. Like any enterprise it doesn’t suit everyone and doesn’t work out for everyone, but you don’t have to slander it just because you’re one of the ones it didn’t suit.